I had a dream the other night about a cowboy who was no good at rounding up cattle, so he became a fisherman. I woke up chuckling about a wrangler becoming an angler! Aside from proving that I do have a sense of humour when I’m unconscious (although I hope I can be funny when conscious too), it made me think about how God communicates through dreams. Two dreams in particular have shaped my approach to how I lead CCCC (I’ll share them below as examples), yet I can’t remember a Christian leadership book that discusses the role of dreams in a leader’s life. It may be that someone made a passing reference to dreams, but certainly there has been no extensive writing about it.

God Uses Dreams

It is important that you consider the possibility that God might use a dream to say something significant to you. I took a life-enriching class at Tyndale Seminary called Foundations of Christian Spirituality taught by Dr. David Sherbino in which we had one lesson on dreams and then some practice sessions at interpreting them (there was no textbook for this). Here are some key points I learned.

  • A dream is generally the creation of the dreamer coming out of your experience, that can be used by God.
  • The Bible has 130 references to dreams. Dreams are an important way that God communicates with humanity.
  • Most of our dreams are objective dreams (also called association dreams). These are related to real life experience.
  • Some dreams are subjective dreams, where the meaning is below the surface. Your mind is at work while you sleep and uses dreams to tell you something about yourself that you do  not consciously know. These dreams will raise your self-awareness if you pay attention to them.
  • Then there are spectacular dreams. In these prophetic dreams, God speaks directly into the context of your life. In my experience, these are very rare, occurring only a couple of times in my life.
  • No person or book can interpret another person’s dreams. All a person can do is ask questions to help the dreamer interpret his or her own dream.

I pay attention to any dream that is particularly striking or vivid. I don’t have them often, but when I do they are virtually always of the subjective type and are helpful for my development.

Interpreting Your Dreams

Dr. Sherbino gave us eight questions to help understand a dream’s meaning.

  1. What is the major feeling/emotion in the dream? Pay particular attention to your emotional state when you woke up. The most significant clue to what the dream is really about is the emotional element. Were you afraid? Confident? What caused the emotion?
  2. Does any of this dream remind you of anything yesterday? If yes, then it is an association dream.
  3. Where does it take place? What does that place remind you of? Does it have any special significance to you? How did that place make you feel emotionally? Is it a safe and loving or a dangerous and threatening place for you?
  4. Can you quickly summarize the dream? Do not reorganize the dream to make it make sense!
  5. Focus on the major characters – who do they remind you of? What feelings did they give you? What part of yourself is in that person?
  6. Unless it is a very rare spectacular dream, a prophetic dream, the dream is about you, not the other person, so don’t try to apply your dream to someone else.
  7. Look for symbolism. Do you have any idea what the symbols mean?
  8. How does this impact your personal growth?
  9. What spiritual potential of yours might the dream be about?

Ask God to reveal the meaning of the dream to you and then reflect on it. As we see in Genesis 37 (Joseph’s dream of his brothers bowing to him), a dream from God does not necessarily mean you actually dream that God is speaking words. Joseph’s dream was symbolic and had to be interpreted (although the interpretation was pretty obvious).

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Two Examples of Dream Interpretation

Photo of John at age 11 at the helm of the MS Gripsholm

Now, here’s a quick overview of my two dreams and how I applied the principles and questions above to interpret them. In each case, I could have simply said to myself, “That was an interesting dream” and left it at that. But I sensed there was more to the dream than just an interesting scenario and it was as I prayed and reflected that the underlying meaning came clear to me. In both dreams I am captain of a large cruise ship. I haven’t been on a cruise ship since 1972 (alas!), and have never dreamed about them other than these two dreams. There was nothing at the time in my life to cause me to dream as I did, so these are not association dreams. By the way, here’s a picture of me at the helm of the MS Gripsholm in December 1968. (The ship was on autopilot, so they told me not to worry about messing up!)

The Captain and the Pilot

The first dream was in early October 2001. I was in my second term at Tyndale and had decided to go full-time, which meant shutting down my business. It was a scary time for me (but my family was supportive). God had already told me in other ways to stop planning my life because his ways are not my ways and his thoughts are so much more than my thoughts. All that my puny plans did was inhibit the Lord’s plans for me. In the dream, I was captain of a cruise ship and could make it go anywhere in the world. But when I entered a river leading to a harbour, a pilot came on board. He didn’t provide me with suggestions for how to navigate the river; he took over and gave direct orders to my crew while I stood to the side. I gave him command of my ship because I trusted him. I was confident that he knew the waters better than I did. It was clear that it was still my ship, I was still the captain, but the pilot was giving the orders.

In my dream, my emotional state was full of confidence and trust. I felt safe and secure. Since he was working with my permission, I did not feel usurped. In real life, I was quite nervous about my situation and had no idea where God was leading me. All I knew was that I was done with secular work. Upon reflection I realized that God was telling me to trust him. I was to stop planning and let him lead me. He gave me a picture of me blindfolded, hanging on to his sleeve. When he took a step, then I could take a step. This is the way it is to be forevermore, and I have resisted committing to a specific plan ever since. I now think about the future every day, but any plans that result are subject to change at any time if God leads otherwise. I am committed to our mission, not a particular means of fulfilling it. Our action plan is the default plan if nothing better comes up.

Captain’s Quarters

The second dream took place two years later, in January of 2004. I was still new at CCCC and focused on the needs of the organization. I dreamt that I was a new captain and reporting to my first command. The cruise ship had a small cabin just off of the bridge for the captain. It was very tight, the length of a bed and just a foot or two between the bed on one side and the washstand and desk on the other. I thought it was pretty spartan, like you might see on a battleship, but I accepted it.

After some months had passed, the chief steward asked why I hadn’t moved into the captain’s quarters yet. I had only been on the bridge or in my cabin the whole time and didn’t realize there was more than the cabin available for living quarters. The steward took me to a massive and luxurious two-storey apartment. The first floor was a huge room the full width of the ship with windows on three sides. This was for entertaining people. The personal living quarters were upstairs. It had everything you could want and I could entertain a hundred or more people there easily.

The steward said the crew was disappointed I was only using the captain’s duty quarters because the captain should be entertaining the passengers and acting like a captain. I felt like I couldn’t use these quarters because they were too grand, but the steward assured me that this is part of the role of being a captain. I was not only to lead the crew, but also fulfill the expectations that the passengers had of their captain.

I hadn’t realized there was more to being a captain than supervising the bridge. It was clear that the spacious quarters were given to a position, not a person. I didn’t personally deserve the quarters, the position that had been given to me required them.

The major emotion that I felt was a combination of wonder as I discovered the full extent of my role and also the feeling that the captain’s quarters were too much for me to accept. With prayer and reflection, I realized that God was calling me not just to leadership of CCCC, but was also giving me a platform to serve ministry leadership teams with the unique blend of gifts, education and experience that God has blessed me with. This dream meant that I could not be content merely to be an anonymous leader within CCCC, but needed to humbly fulfill a more public role as well. My research, doctoral thesis, writing and this blog are examples of the result.

Listen to Your Dreams

So, the next time you have a vivid dream, before you slough it off as just another dream, make it a matter of prayer and reflection to see what it might say about your development as a person or as a leader. It just might be a message from God!

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Thoughts on Dreams and Discernment

  1. JV

    Good word John! While this may seem a little ‘out there’ for some North Americans, the reality is that believers in many other areas of the world do take their dreams very seriously. While discernment is always needed, we would only miss out on a very incredible way of God directing our lives if we pass this off as being too ‘flaky’. Thanks for addressing this fascinating part of the spiritual life!

  2. judy cullen

    Thanks for writing up about dreams because too many believer’s think.It is some thing of the bible time, but not now in 2013.

    1. John PelloweJohn Pellowe Post author

      You’ve raised a good point, Judy. When there are so many references to dreams in both the Old and New Testatments, and when God is the same, yesterday today and forever (Heb 13:8), what makes them think God suddenly dropped one way of communication?

  3. Joshua R Chimuka


    I have been dealing with some issues in life and I chose to get very close to the Lord so I can hear clearly from Him.

    I started having dreams nearly every week showing me progress and the more time I spent in prayer asking questions the more was revealed in dreams including the symbolism relating to the origin of my challenges. I have had to use others to interpret the dreams as I could not figure out some of the symbolism. I am definitely clear of where the Lord is leading me.

    My concern is that I may become too depended on the dreams for guidance though other directives have come through other believers on my way to victory. I am sharing and asking for counsel at the same time because I have been having the dreams for almost a year now , since 26/10/19.

    All my life before this I have not remembered my dreams so clearly. If I do not write them firm and be prayerful on them they keep popping into my consciousness.

    Your understanding of this and perhaps guidance/counsel will be appreciated


    1. John PelloweJohn Pellowe Post author

      Hi Joshua. I am glad you are making progress and it sounds like you have some wise people around you to support and counsel you on your journey.

      Regarding your concern about becoming too dependent on dreams, my own experience is that I’ve only had them at a key period in my life, when I was transitioning into full-time Christian ministry work from self-employment. I haven’t had continuing dreams that I thought were directions from the Lord. I have had some dreams that I took as comfort or affirmation. I cannot speak for everyone, but my take is that God will use dreams if you aren’t “hearing” him through other means. Now my main discernment of God’s leadership is through prayer – asking questions and waiting for thoughts to form – as you are doing. I also seek wisdom from friends.

      If you think you are becoming dependent on dreams, I would develop other ways of discerning God’s leadership – and prayer and mature CHristian friends are certainly two ways to receive God’s direction so you are doing things well.

      Be careful that you do not fall into creating your own dreams and attributing them to God. Seek God, not dreams.

      I hope this helps.


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